Do you want to see less vans in London?

Hi all,

I'm currently doing some research to assess the growth of van usage and the effects of increasing delivery traffic inside the M25.

While this is not directly a cycling related matter, I'm sure you can understand how more vans on London streets affects cyclists. As someone who cycles in London daily I hope that this research will help to move us towards a more cycle friendly London.

If you live and/or work inside the M25 I would be most grateful if you could spend about 10mins providing feedback on your own use of delivery services:

<a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/85PL77V" title="London Home Delivery Survey" target="_blank">https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/85PL77V</a>

Please feel free to pass on, and thanks in advance.

Dean

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I want to see MORE vans to relpace the incredibly dangerous and unsuitable HGVs.

  • By KevinC at 01:46pm 18 Mar 2014

I want to see fewer vans in London

  • By Shannon at 11:08pm 18 Mar 2014

The independent think tank The Center For London explored the changing patern of smaller van use (the white vans we all know and love). Their research shows they have been 'steadily but relentlessly increasing'. Over the years 1998-2008 the numbers grew by 30%. They are now 13% of motor vehicles that use London's roads. They mention that the huge shift to buying grocerys and many other things online is driving the trend. This is one of the many factors that has reduced private car use. Many businesses have cut the amount of stock they hold on site, as it's cheaper to have more frequent deliverys. It also makes stock control less complicated. The writer says although it sounds like a doomsday senario, he thinks that cargo bikes -that can be faster and cheaper- and smaller vehicles will be used more often by logistic companies to meet polution targets. The 3D printing (a facinating game changer) of objects and components will change light industry and companies that make things will need less goods moved about on roads. Click and collect services, where customers can pick up their online goods at a tube station on the way home from work will make some home delivery unneccessary. He sets a hopefull tone. The article on their website is taken from a larger body of work called 4 Reasons Why London Is Reaching Peak Van. You may want to read it yourself... centre for london.org/-4reasons-london-reaching-peak-van/  

  • By Shannon at 01:29am 19 Mar 2014

I'll start by saying that I don't mind companys making a buck. As long as they are up front about their intentions. This fellow who asks us if we would like to see less vans in London is an employee of a company called Survey Monkey. You really should visit their website and find out what their buisiness model is before taking part. You may be fine with it, but at least read and understand the Terms And Conditions attached before submiting you personal infomation. Please note that he dosen't want to know about our experience of vans when we are riding near them, or how we interact at junctions. Rather it's our use of delivery services (and what we buy) that's the focus. I have a particular interest in advertising, marketing, the promotion of brands and P.R. Survey Monkey gathers market reserch data by several methods, surveys being just one. They 'monetize' your data by analising it for 'targeting criteria' to seperate out a particular 'target demographic', and then sell it to 'third partys'. These partys are companys who's job it is sell more stuff. These methods are as old as the hills because they do work. I really wouldn't bother writing this, but the sad irony is that Survey Monkey takes it brief from the very companies that need to put more little white vans on the road to maintain their market position. As I said, I don't mind companies making a buck. I just hope he asked for permission (or even offered a donation) from the LCC before accessing thousands of it's members. If he didn't then he's a Cheeky Monkey.

 

  • By Dave H at 02:40pm 20 Apr 2014

Suggest you look at what the smarter guys with money are doing with TNT and DHL. TNT is sub contracting to Gnewt for final mile delivery - mainly in small electric vehicles in London.

At the second annual meeting of the European Cycle Logistics Federation, TNT revealed that 10% of their fleet in NL were cargo bikes, and they had replaced 33 vans with 33 Bullitt cargo bikes delivering the same consignments, and saving €430,000 in operating costs, and 153 Tonnes in carbon emissions.

ECLF members have been making links using high speed rail services to get urgent package the lengths & breadth of the UK in record times bike-rail-bike door to door. If you know of anyone with this as a regular traffic, it may be worth investigating.

For London the Pollution Solution is right here and now - and the incentive might even appeal to the most mercenary of operators (especially if competitors as delivering faster and cheaper with bikes). Oh and simply observing what is happening on London's Streets would probably be as effective as paying for a report? 

 

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