Safety - the biggest risk - other cyclists

I live in Central London EC4, I cycle, drive and have an HGV Class 1. I really enjoy cycling and it is a great way to get around. Working in Dagenham I frequently cycle to and from work to EC4 using Cycle Superhighway 3, but on Friday for the first time in five years suffered my worst crash - caused by another cyclist. To be honest I am not surprised. Too often cyclist are not looking where they are going, overtaking with no room to get back, cycling too fast or going across red (cycle) lights. The biggest risk to cycling in London is other irresponsible cyclists. It really is time that perhaps some cyclists looked at their own standard of road behaviour before taking time to criticise other road users, road designers and planners. 


I will be off my bike for a couple of weeks now and have no alternative but to drive my car, all due to some idiot cyclist.


Please provide comparison figures showing KSI numbers from cyclist/cyclist collisions and cyclist/vehicle collisions to justify your statement "the biggest risk to cycling in London is other irresponsible cyclists".

I'd be willing to wager you have nothing but hot air to back up that absurdity

So until ALL cyclists behave properly we shouldn't comment about dangerous road design or dangerous drivers?

How long do ALL cyclists have to behave for? A day, a week? Longer? And how are your actions on a bike my responsibility? Are my actions in a car your responsibilty as a driver? What makes you think that those pushing for safe roads and more protection are the same riders who "are not looking where they are going, overtaking with no room to get back, cycling too fast [whatever that means] or going across red (cycle) lights."


Nearly all collisions are partly the responsibility of both parties. Is there anything you could've done to avoid the situation?

I for one am not going to start accepting drivers putting my life on the line just because some other cyclists are idiots!

To EC4Cycle

Hope you have a speedy recovery with no long-term ill affects from your accident and that you are back on two wheels soon.

I hope you don't mind if I take this opportunity to recommend a book I'm quite evangelical about (Well, it's not as if your out cycling all evening!)

Cyclecraft by John Franklin [ISBN 978 0 11 703740 3]

It's a great read with a lot essential advise for cyclists of all abilities and experience. If all else fails you can throw it at MrCommuter and the other Halo-polishers.

Once again, have a speedy recovery and see you soon.

This content was deleted by MrCommuter at 9:05am 29 July 2013.

I deleted the last comment because I have come to realise that others like re-embellish words as an excuse to argue, so I have re-worded it in simpler terms.


You called me a halo polisher? At least back it up with an explanation!

I have never adopted the “Holier than though attitude”, I have merely try to adopt the law to make my life safer, the absence of which gives many drivers the ammunition to oppose us.

All I said, is that I am unwilling to accept dangerous driving putting my life at risk simply because of the generalisation against irresponsible behaviour. So why does that make me a halo polisher?

So I politely ask you once more: Please explain...

Well I have been cycling in London for 4 years, daily, and have had three crashes, two caused by another cyclist and one by a pedestrian who didnt look and stepped out.  

One paticularly bad crash was when I was stopped at a red light and i started moving when it turned green.  A particularly mental cyclist thought he could chance the red light remaining red and from the rear dart in front of me to get onto the crossing designed for pedestrians and cross the road that way.  We colided heavily.  When i got up and realised I wasnt hurt I gave him a serious barrage of verbal abuse.  

Cyclists need to sort themslves out.  

  • By fernlyn at 10:49am 9 August 2013

I do find some cyclists a bit dodgy but I am very unlilky to be killed or badly ingured buy a colison with one. Cars on and HGVs do kill a lot of cyclists.

I would like to add here that I drove a buses in extremly busy areas for ten years and never had even a close call with a pediestrian or bike becuase I slow down in busy areas where people can step out and if I am turning left and cant see I wont make the turn untill I have checked the blind spots sometimes getting out of my seat to do so.

  • By paul at 6:13pm 11 August 2013

In half a century of cycling I have been taken off the bike most frequently by ----dogs. Usually only scrapes resulted but now my only permanent injury- dislocated collar bone.

  • By Julien at 2:12pm 13 August 2013

I am shocked by the vitriol that people use against those who hold opposing views on this forum. 

Let's be honest planning, investment, good driver training and awareness campaigns will help reduce acidents and deaths on the road.

BUT, cyclists do not help their cause or other people by, jumping read lights and pedestrian crossings  (when other vehicles have stopped) cycling on pavements and zigzagging without signalling through traffic. 

When not cycling, as a pedestrian I have almost been hit by a cycle while on a crossing and on the pavement as a I stepped off a bus.

Let's all respect other road and pavement users and perhaps there would be less accidents and more sympathy and dialogue.


Well I do not agree with last two sentences of ec4's post. However it is true that you have to be careful overtaking on CS3. I have experienced this several times. People don't seem to realise that 2 bikes travelling at 15mph have a closing speed of 30mph and it is really easy to misjudge the distance needed to overtake a slower cyclist on the pathetically narrow CS3. It is easily done, I did this myself when I first started riding on it 2 years ago. Now I am very careful about overtaking. Also CS3 is simply not for fast riding definitely not from Tower Gateway to Rotherhithe tunnel. There are too many lights and zebras. If you want to go fast it's better to go on Commercial Road, although the car right turner's crossing your path will have you off if you are unlucky.  

  • By janedent at 11:06am 2 September 2013

I get fed up with other cyclists too. Probably more often than I get fed up with car drivers.

Hope you get well soon EC4cyclist.

I think we can ALL agree that people using the roads inappropriately causes danger to others. I'm confident we all agree that we can assess our own behaviour and try to use the roads/paths more appropriately (however we travel).

Give people space. Don't go too fast for the environment. Look out for hazards. Take care of more vulnerable users. Be predictable. I'll do my bit. Will you do yours?

  • By Amoeba at 11:30am 2 September 2013

I had a narrow squeak with a lunatic cyclist in London. He behaved like a motorist, overtook me too close at speed, only narrowly missed hitting my handlebars. Totally stupid, dangerous and unnecessary. 

The most worrying thing, it was entirely unnecessary, there was ample space for a safe reasonable overtake and he gave no warning, no bell ring or 'on your right', nothing. It was just woosh! No time for me to react. I wonder if he was using Strava?

Such antisocial behaviour stirs-up antipathy with the Public and law-abiding cyclists. I wouldn't be surprised if he rides without lights at night, zooms across zebra crossings while peds are crossing and RLJs too.

Antisocial behaviour needs to be called-out for what it is.

This post was edited by Amoeba at 11:51am 2 September 2013.

Ec4cycle is right we must sort our selves out, this will give us the right to criticise other. There is little firm 'direction' on the site will regard to better and courteous cycling.

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